Below is a series of texts that might seemed fragmented and a little out of context for it is mainly in reply to certain comments other made but will attempt to include everything.
I: http://wonght12.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/a-teaser-to-the-new-post/
Reply: Han Teng, the bible is definitely a book written by man, but yet it is inspired by God as it itself claims in 2 Timothy 3:16. Whether there are conflicts in the accounts, we will have to put it to test first before we can come to any conclusion yes?
II: Well as you said claimed by the bible. Thus if i NOW write two sentence: The bible is a book of lies. The above statement was written by god’s through my hand.
So how? And well one of the key splits between cats and protestant does come from conflicting views on how to intepret parts of the bible or rather which parts to follow.
Note that there are parts in the bible that insist that jesus was mortal and was nothing more than a man, not god’s son
Reply(2): Is the Bible imperfect because it contradicts on the imortallity of Jesus in the Bible? Like Shaun says, please enlighten me, us.
God is he simply because of the restrictive use of the English language. This in itself shows how limited our human soul is that we cannot even come out with a proper pronoun to describe God and not imply and gender bianess in the pronoun. Infact, God does exhibit feminine trait. Such that God has created us, like a mother who has created us through child birth.
I do not see how by answering the question that ‘in the name of religion what can and should be committed?’ can answer your question on the existence of God. However, I wouldn’t deny that Christians has misused the name of God to commit evil.… Read More
However, it doesn’t mean that by using the name of God to commit something means that the power to commit that something was from God.
Fallen humans instructed the cursades.
What empowered the witch hunters in the salem trials? The appointement of of these people as witch hunters.
What gave strength to people to carry out war?
Physical strength: Military power, might, number of troops
Mental strength: Desire to conqour, to win.…
Win over territories, resources and even ideology.
Please tell me, who gave human the ability (intellectual, emotional, actions) push forth and beyond and the needlessness of returning back to books that claim to be of God’s hand?
Religion and true followers are not seperate. Religion and followers are seperate entities.
Please tell me more about the difference between Catholics and Protestant in Bible intepretation.
Thank you.
God Bless.
III: Well then where does the morality behind most war maybe save the world wars and minor skirmishes does come from? And by what proof do you have that everything we are must be attributed to god? The theory of evolution more than sufficiently demonstrate how humans came to be.
Thus no one actually gave us those abilities, we developed them as we require them. Both are possibilities but which one more probable to the rational mind?
Sadly they should not be. Religion no matter what is a social construct. And the followers in using the poisonous name of religion commit these crimes, thus these crimes have their roots in the religion. Thus fallen humans nor witch hunters did not commit the crimes in the personal power, rather they bolster their claims thru religion.… Read More
So if the pope or archbishop who knows nuts about science start claiming the uselessness of condoms to africans, is it him or the religion who aids in condemning those believers to the horror of HIV/AIDS.
Then what about the polio sufferers who followed their religious leaders’ words piously to reject the vaccination?
Well then prove first and foremost to me the existence of god to begin with. Thereafter contrive to demonstrate how GOD must have had been Jesus Christ’s father or the holy trinity as prescribe in your religion. Proof must be given by… Read More the claimant not the naysayers. Else anyone everyone can claim things without cold hard proof.
Using things within the religion to prove the religion merely constructs circular but definitely fallacious arguments. If I were to even accept your arguments then by analogy I can accept every other religions, occults or cults. Also science is being make utterly redundant since a scientist can claim what ever he likes without need to give proof for those who disbelieve are suppose to give proof? And his work self justifies thus we have no need to bother to cross refer and attempt to recreate his/her experiments?
Sadly then why is God portrayed as a male in statues in churches? Does the inability of language to capture the sexless translate to our ability to imagine such neutral sex?
And no i don’t mean that God allowed those acts but your religion allowed it not?
Finally why do catholics so love mother mary, or virgin mary. Why do they in a sense(though … Read Morecatholics would surely object to the use of the verb) pray to her life a goddess? When protestants do not do so? I believe(though correct me if i am wrong as i am not formally bible trained) lies in the parts about how virgin mary knew she was with jesus. Even if not between these two variants of christianity, then within the various denominations of protestants. Why does free charismatics read the bible so literally that they believe giving a dollar will get you specifically 10 dollars back as the bible states. This ugly belief has led me to see christians refusing to donate to buddhist causes.
Then why for baptism, some insist to entirely immersing the person entirely in water while some sprinkle water? Different interpretation of the bible again! If the religion cannot even maintain a cohesive and coherent front how can it ever convince anyone that god had willed for it to exist…
Reply: ‘Else anyone everyone can claim things without cold hard proof.’ Has anyone actually experimentally proven that the Theory of Evolution exist? Hence, isn’t this a work which self justifies itself? How than can a rational mind accept that the theory of Evolution sufficiently proofs how human come about?
Who defines morality in this world? Can we not say that morality is indeed subjective? And whoever is of power, of wealth and of status controls what is right or wrong?
Tell me than, is there a need for an absolute righteous, in order to define morality in this world?… Read More
Tell me please, who gave us the ability to aquire new abilities when the need arises?
‘Religion no matter what is a social construct. And the followers in using the poisonous name of religion commit these crimes, thus these crimes have their roots in the religion.’ ‘religion cannot even maintain a cohesive and coherent front how can it ever convince anyone that god had willed for it to exist…’
It was through man’s social construct that brings about the existence of the concept of religion. The need to brand the group of people who believes in Christ, resulted in them being called Christians.
I won’t deny that religion have permitted evil acts. After all religion is the result of human construction.… Read More
The crusades, the Northern Ireland conflict, the 30 years war.
However, weather my religion has committed sinful acts, even in the eyes of my God,
Does not prove or disprove the existence of God.
I can admit that even myself have in many times misused my religion.
But does that prove that God does not exist?
Does the difference in religious traditions show that God does not exist?
Finally, please enlighten me, where in the Bible shows that by giving a dollar, you will get specifically 10 dollars back?
Thank you… Read More
God Bless
IV: Yes there are mounting evidence and proof for the theory of evolution. So much more than there is for creationist theories. So no it is not a self fufilling prophecy. Most importantly your argument was a classic case of Tu quoque.
Well but one thing it does show religion is not reflection of God assuming God exist. And this God is not as define or as explained by the bible or the koran or the vedas or the buddhist scriptures.
If religion seems to be such a bad social construct then should it not be abandoned?… Read More
For for morality and ethics there can be objectivity but not always deontology rooted in religious belief. Many times such ‘morals’ have shown to be far too destructive. There are other ethical theories at play.
Any biology student can also tell you that the ‘new’ abilities is a result of the imperfect system of genetic mutations and variations under the stresses of natural selection.
As for the part from the bible, I’ll have to check. It was my presbyterian friend who claimed that that’s what they used. It apparently goes along the line of something like if you give something, you get back ten folds. Which was then intepreted by the free charismatics as such.
Reply: Theory of evolution… a theory to date.
Why would I want to donate to Buddhist cause or for that matter an aethist cause other than humanitarian?
The different practise of other christian denomination can be different in minor area. Most important is we do not major in the minor but major in the major. Read the bible with an open mind and not compare the various practises at this stage.… Read More
Everthing or believe is subject to abuse be it religion, politics, humanitianism or what have you. Question .. Do you allow yourself to be deceived/misled or do you deceive/mislead others to achieve your ends?
So what is wisdom?
Reply(2): Of there are other ethical theories at play, than how can one say that there can be objectivity in morality and ethicity? Which theory will than define what is absoulte right and absolute wrong?
There are many bad social constructs in this world. Capitalism can lead to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Should we than abandom capitalism and adopt another economic model?
Every social construct has its pros and cons. I dare say that religion has produced many good outcomes too.… Read More
If religion was such a bad social construct, than why did mankind even created this concept of religion in the first place?
Religion may not be a true reflection of God. However, true followers and believers of God are a reflection of God.
Any biological student can also tell you that the theory of evolution is but just a theory that is in their content syllabus. Till the day a monkey is evolved into a human, can the word Theory be dropped from the phrase ‘Theory of evolution’.
V: So is the theory of gravity a theory. So is the the theory of creationism a theory… The term theory as used by science differs from what most layman usage of layman would be. If so what you are attempting to imply about theories just being theories, then do we intend to return back to a society with no knowledge?
Sadly the differences in practice do matter. Else why did they even exist?
Also RELIGION with its extensive usage of GOD to approve their actions, become more daring to commit these actions. So back to the argument fallacy of Tu quoque. So if others use it does it mean that it is vald for you to do it too because other people do it too? So murder should be allowed because other people DO commit murder? Since they are too, well it doesn’t matter if I do right?… Read More
Moreover, religion GIVES people the reason to do it and brainwash many to commit it.
There are many theories of science, so is science not objective? Objectivity can be achieve as long as we can settle upon a theory or framework to create our knowledge in.
Capitalism does now inherently make the rich richer and poor poorer. The application of the theory in our world is what causes it. Marxism is a good ideology but communism was a reltively bad implementation of Karl Marx’s ideals.
Does the existence of a social construct meant it show stay? Then why does anyone bother to stop the spread of cults?… Read More
The point which I ultimately drive at is: If God exist, then why do we need to commit to any form of doctrine? Can it not be a personal practice? I believe so. Back to theory, THEORY has a different usage in science. DO FIND OUT WHAT IT IMPLIES. Do pull another fallacy of equivocation upon me. AND thus any biological student should tell you a theory is not just a theory in your sense…
Though my lack of biblical knowledge might have made some of many claims shaky but as can be seen from the last few replies these 1 + 1 people who reply to my comments are clearly commiting 2 BIG logical fallacies: Tu quoque and equivocation. And the love to play with the word equivocation. And most clearly that don’t seemed to be very trained in basic science methodology as well as simple biology, maybe it is in their creationism creed?
-wonght
Religion poisons EVERYTHING! – Christopher Hitchens