After having a good argument with Jun Wei, and collecting from experiences from previous arguments, I have finally distilled(in my opinion) some of the most infallable arguments I can come up with against being in a religion.
The first one is based upon the logic’s fallacies. A typical Christian who converts you tends to construct arguments in certain manners which is what I personally utilise against them.
First question to ask would be very simple: Why did you chose to believe in Christianity? The most common answer would be because the Bible blah blah blah. So one has to believe what the Bible says to want to be in the religion? It would seem so since there is no other compelling reasons outside of religion to persuade me that religion is worth to follow. Thus in order for me to want to join a religion, I would have to already believe in the religion or its texts it bases itself on.
Thus I construct the following argument. I begin with a set of conditionals based on utilitarian approaches.
P1: If something does not benefit me or makes me better off, then I am better off not be in it.
P2: To believe in Christianity, I have to believe what is in the Bible
P3: Believing in the Bible would meant I have to had already accept Christianity and believe in its teachings.
C1: The only reasons given for me to join Christianity comes from Christianity itself.
C2: There is nothing out of Christianity that gives me reasons to believe in the religion.
P4: Christians uses circular arguments in persuading me to convert, assuming I am a believer to justify truth in the Bible so that I can become a believer.
MC1: The arguments given are not strong enough to show me that joining Christainity makes me any better. I.e. closer to God, knowing the only path to God.
MC2: I will not join Christainity.
I challenge any pastor to debate with me on whether anyone should be joining their religion. The above format looks chunky and unwieldy but would sincerely ask anyone to challenge and find flaws in my argument.
The other simple argument is quite basic. How do you know you are reading God’s word. Why are there so many editions? Because of bad translations due to the imperfect human. The Bible was still written by imperfect man who could have edited the documents to suit them, the Bible was published and copied by these same imperfect beings, thus the final Bible is imperfect. If anyone is to claim to know what God had truly wanted for Christians, then he/she would have needed to have read the original Greek edition or the cleaned up Luther’s German one, rather then the English ones. Have your pastor don’t so? Then how can he be preaching based upon a book which is far from perfect and not neccessary what God wanted? How can anyone based his/her faith on a book with such dubious backgrounds? Is the Bible even complete?
As such I conclude it is far better to not be in a religion. The only pluses of being in a religion is it gives you a sense of direction. Which sadly can be misleading as seen in the latest AWARE saga. As a true ontological or spiritual filling tool, it fares no better than one’s personal beliefs as well as opinions about God self-formed. As a social construct, it is highly successful and can be used easily to bring more people to a common goal. Just appeal to religion, it work fast.
-wonght
God is not great, not because he is not great himself but the pictures created of him is so.
The rapture of God’s word is not because of the Bible. What He intends and not speaks has always been the same throughout forever. We can only hope to interpret His holy words through the holy bible.
He has touched our lives, in small but significant ways, and His words will guide us through our trials of life. Believe and you will receive. Your unbelieving eye has left you blind to the miracle works of our Lord. But He is always forgiving – it is not too late for you to be welcomed into his embrace.
Discretion shall preserve thee, understanding shall keep thee. – Proverbs 2:11
By: Sam on May 10, 2009
at 11:23 am
Sam: Well I did not say God does not exist but simply even if i do believe in God why do i have to believe in Christianity? Once again you prove me right using words from the bible to attempt to convince me that Christianity is true and/or the way to God. But is it? Only the bible can prove so. Yet to believe the bible, one would need to already be in the religion. Else what reason does one have to believe in it?
By: wonght12 on May 11, 2009
at 8:29 am
There is now way …only through your very own good actions that people will follow…and then only they will ask if you have any religon that you follow.
Most christians forget that during Christ’s time, there was actually no bible to quote or follow, maybe moses’s laws.
Christ has his own teachings.
That’s why there is the saying that only through christ that we come to God.. this principle can be also said to us.
Only through our own good actions do people come to know the religion behind the good deed. Any religon..
I like this post …thought provoking!
By: ErniesUrn on June 9, 2009
at 6:25 am
Glad you found it interesting, though i think some of the arguments on my side still need a little polishing. Well religion and its churches and temples are more of a social construct. There is really little reason to join any especially just to follow your faith
By: wonght12 on June 11, 2009
at 4:23 am